tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5099921.post8065729807441333698..comments2023-05-03T04:30:21.758-07:00Comments on NCFocus: "Green is the new Red" says Mark Meckler in surprise appearance at local Tea Party meetingAnna Hayneshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15176850465809297298noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5099921.post-59823985103689303092011-07-10T15:14:40.787-07:002011-07-10T15:14:40.787-07:00Above, a text change please:
s/from back when Yuba...Above, a text change please:<br />s/from back when Yubanet did news/from back when Yubanet did <b>more than fire news</b>/ <br /><br />(the fire news is much appreciated in our community)Anna Hayneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15176850465809297298noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5099921.post-15161624081594792342011-07-06T08:01:07.276-07:002011-07-06T08:01:07.276-07:00Wed 2011-07-06 update: ICLEI responded with a link...Wed 2011-07-06 update: ICLEI responded with a link to a <a href="http://www.icleiusa.org/about-iclei/members/member-list" rel="nofollow">member list</a>; which doesn't include Yuba City (nor Grass Valley, Nevada City, Truckee)Anna Hayneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15176850465809297298noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5099921.post-38752276168717263062011-07-03T15:45:46.291-07:002011-07-03T15:45:46.291-07:00Anna Haynes:
"Frank, if I asked that questio...Anna Haynes:<br /><br />"Frank, if I asked that question ['do you think environmentalism is a plot concocted by Jewish bankers?'], a disturbing number of people would view it as seriously meant."<br /><br />I don't see that as a bad thing.<br /><br />-- frankfrank -- Decoding SwiftHackhttp://climategate.tk/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5099921.post-70999935987746042282011-07-03T14:37:52.164-07:002011-07-03T14:37:52.164-07:00My followup post on Meckler's talk.
Brings to...My <a href="http://ncfocus.blogspot.com/2011/07/nevada-county-tea-party-meet-critical.html" rel="nofollow">followup post</a> on Meckler's talk.<br /><br />Brings to mind Michael Tobis's assessment, that we're trying to 'sell' adulthood.Anna Hayneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15176850465809297298noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5099921.post-81560291809106686572011-07-03T11:04:40.729-07:002011-07-03T11:04:40.729-07:00...and do these groups contain actual citizens?...and do these groups contain actual citizens?Anna Hayneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15176850465809297298noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5099921.post-1625065937837527092011-07-03T11:01:05.804-07:002011-07-03T11:01:05.804-07:00- in 2003 Yubanet reported NCCRG Inc's status ...- in 2003 Yubanet reported NCCRG Inc's status was Suspended, and I can't find it in the SoS records, yet as late as 2007, NCCRG was in the news endorsing Dan Logue (<a href="http://www.theunion.com/article/20070830/NEWS/108300182" rel="nofollow">link</a>). <br />(Is this the same as "Citizens for Responsible Government in Nevada County", endorsing Kilborn in 2008? <a href="http:Anna Hayneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15176850465809297298noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5099921.post-42892194071424989472011-07-03T10:39:59.134-07:002011-07-03T10:39:59.134-07:00Correction, NCCRG was more explicitly election-rel...Correction, NCCRG was more explicitly election-related. The explicit anti-NH2020 groups were PYPR(protect your property rights; Drew Bedwell) and CPR(Citizens for Property Rights; Bill Weismann, yes that Bill Weismann).<br /><br /><a href="http://www.yubanet.com/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi/48/1710" rel="nofollow">Yubanet on NCCRG (link)</a>, from back when Yubanet did news (but why doesn'tAnna Hayneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15176850465809297298noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5099921.post-38505223459727117802011-07-02T20:58:03.994-07:002011-07-02T20:58:03.994-07:00Frank, if I asked that question, a disturbing numb...Frank, if I asked that question, a disturbing number of people would view it as seriously meant. Turns one's stomach, it does...<br /><br />Also, an addendum to the blogpost - "political wet worker" Cliff Wagner did take credit for having been behind Nevada County Citizens for Responsible Government, one of the two anti-NH2020 organizations circa 2002.Anna Hayneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15176850465809297298noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5099921.post-40694224793349457742011-07-02T10:46:26.140-07:002011-07-02T10:46:26.140-07:00Anna Haynes:
"Frank, that would be an intere...Anna Haynes:<br /><br />"Frank, that would be an interesting question to ask Barre Seid. 8-)"<br /><br />If you ask me, it's also useful to put this question to the PR talking heads further down. It seems the Far Right wants to play to extremists and the non-extremists at the same time.<br /><br />Asking questions such as these will force them to choose between losing extremists andfrank -- Decoding SwiftHackhttp://climategate.tk/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5099921.post-57712218011878614662011-07-02T03:56:23.951-07:002011-07-02T03:56:23.951-07:00The more I think [in middle of night; thus unrelia...The more I think [in middle of night; thus unreliably] about that Tea Party meeting, the more it seems - odd.<br />And the kerfuffle here is a distraction from my (IMO rather more significant) other blog's <a href="http://warming101.blogspot.com/2011/06/top-heartland-inst-funder-behind-huge.html" rel="nofollow">"Top Heartland Institute funder..."</a> post.<br /><br />(Yeah I know, Anna Hayneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15176850465809297298noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5099921.post-81809198325785660982011-07-01T18:50:51.883-07:002011-07-01T18:50:51.883-07:00...better said by Joe Romm:
"...if you hate ......better said by Joe Romm:<br /><br />"...if you hate government intrusion into people’s lives, you’d better stop catastrophic global warming, because nothing drives a country more towards activist government than scarcity and deprivation … if we hold off today on government action that focuses for several decades on preventing catastrophe, we will almost guarantee the need for extreme and Anna Hayneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15176850465809297298noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5099921.post-64995027235762436562011-07-01T14:48:56.503-07:002011-07-01T14:48:56.503-07:00re Todd's
> I think the planet will survive...re Todd's<br />> I think the planet will survive just fine without a bunch of...<br /><br />You're right, the planet itself will do fine, over geological time - it's human civilization that faces a rough future - and the longer we ignore the "ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure" asymmetry, the more draconian the restrictions on freedom that'll be needed once Anna Hayneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15176850465809297298noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5099921.post-3222180873267610962011-07-01T14:39:42.742-07:002011-07-01T14:39:42.742-07:00> A possible fun question: ...
Frank, that wou...> A possible fun question: ...<br /><br />Frank, that would be an interesting question to ask Barre Seid.<br />8-)Anna Hayneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15176850465809297298noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5099921.post-86383793125143221482011-07-01T14:38:18.900-07:002011-07-01T14:38:18.900-07:00(...she says, statelessly reacting...)(...she says, statelessly reacting...)Anna Hayneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15176850465809297298noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5099921.post-82165126517412495022011-07-01T14:37:50.300-07:002011-07-01T14:37:50.300-07:00> much less intellectually challenging...
Inde...> much less intellectually challenging...<br /><br />Indeed. A reminder (from Mind vs. Machine, in The Atlantic (<a href="http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/print/1969/12/mind-vs-machine/8386/" rel="nofollow">link</a>)) -<br />"the question of what types of human behavior computers can imitate shines light on how we conduct our own, human lives. <b>Verbal abuse is simply less complex Anna Hayneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15176850465809297298noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5099921.post-21423634114253210092011-07-01T12:46:33.626-07:002011-07-01T12:46:33.626-07:00A possible fun question:
"Do you think envir...A possible fun question:<br /><br />"Do you think environmentalism is a plot concocted by Jewish bankers?"<br /><br />* * *<br /><br />"The poor Ethiopian women who travel miles every day to get firewood really need your help more than any American does."<br /><br />Indeed, Todd, what the poor Ethiopian women really need is cheap oil, so that they can fill their cars with frank -- Decoding SwiftHackhttp://climategate.tk/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5099921.post-83224513848823221632011-07-01T09:16:45.298-07:002011-07-01T09:16:45.298-07:00I completely understand -- but don't endorse -...I completely understand -- but don't endorse -- name-calling here: it's much less intellectually challenging than engaging in actual dialog, which requires good will and a certain amount of work done in good faith.<br /><br />The convenient thing about name-calling is that the brain can be used like an old leather pouch containing a bunch of unrelated words and phrases: "eco red/Don Peltonhttp://sierravoices.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5099921.post-66861449743070606192011-07-01T08:13:18.744-07:002011-07-01T08:13:18.744-07:00All these attempt by the eco red/greens to change ...All these attempt by the eco red/greens to change the vernacular are simply not going to work. Sustainability? I think the planet will survive just fine without a bunch of leftwingers telling the people how to live their lives. The poor Ethiopian women who travel miles every day to get firewood really need your help more than any American does.Todd Juvinallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11273611043872087559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5099921.post-31906806727232084232011-07-01T07:58:45.774-07:002011-07-01T07:58:45.774-07:00I wasn't there, but from your excerpt here it&...I wasn't there, but from your excerpt here it's clear that Meckler either (1) doesn't really grasp the concept of sustainability (since he incorrectly refers to it in opposition to stewardship, whereas sustainability is the essence of stewardship), or (2) his reference to those who are "stewards" is bad use of language at best or duplicitous at worst, he's really Don Peltonhttp://sierravoices.comnoreply@blogger.com